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Why AI masterssound flat.

Louder and smaller at the same time is a real, measurable thing, and loudness itself was never the culprit. From Aden Forté.

You already know the sound

You upload a mix to an AI mastering site, wait a minute, and get back something that’s definitely louder. Then you play it in the car and the kick has gone soft, the drop lands with a shrug, and somehow the whole thing feels smaller than your mix did. Louder and smaller at the same time. Every producer I know has had this exact experience, and most of them concluded that loudness itself was the problem.

It isn’t, and I can show you with numbers rather than vibes.

Flat has a measurement

Two meters describe most of what you’re hearing. Crest factor is the gap between the peaks and the body of the track; it’s where the kick’s transient snap lives. Loudness range (LRA) is the macro travel, how far the quiet sections sit below the loud ones; it’s why a drop feels like a drop.

We keep a corpus of commercial club releases paired with their real premasters. Across it, the released masters are about 5 LU louder than the premasters, they spend around 3.6 dB of crest to get there, and their LRA moves by less than 0.1 LU. Professional mastering takes a lot of level and leaves the dynamics of the arrangement almost completely alone. So when a master comes back with the verse-to-drop travel squashed and every bar the same density, that’s a chain doing the job crudely.

One limiter can't buy that much level

The crude version is easy to build, which is why it’s common: put a limiter at the end, push the input until the number on the meter says competitive. The limiter pays for every dB out of the same account, your transients, and past a few dB of drive it starts pumping, dragging the low end down with the kick and sanding the snap off everything.

We measured this while calibrating our Club preset. Forcing a limiter alone to reach a -7.6 LUFS reference level destroyed around 3 LU of measured loudness quality on dynamic premasters; our engine’s quality guard actually refuses to render that result. Reaching reference level cleanly took a different chain: density work earlier in the path, then a clip stage shaving the transient tops before the limiter ever sees them. That structure buys roughly 2.5 to 3 LU of clean level and keeps the crest that makes the track punch. On one corpus track the result landed within 0.2 LU, 0.7 dB of crest and 0.0 LU of LRA of the human master of the same mix.

The other tell: run it twice

A smaller thing that bothers me as a producer: some automated tools give you a different master from the same mix on different days. If the process has randomness in it, you can’t use it to check your own work. Our engine is deterministic on purpose. Master the same mix twice, get the same result, so when you tweak the mix and re-master, the difference you hear is your tweak.

Don't take the numbers on faith

We put the same premaster through Echo Forte, LANDR and BandLab, trimmed the results to the identical section and level-matched them so louder can’t cheat. You can flip between them mid-play on the comparison page and read every measurement.

Or skip straight to the version with your own music in it: upload a mix, get all four presets back in about a minute, and listen level-matched against your original before you pay anything.

Founder · Producer · Songwriter

Aden Fortéis an Australian producer, songwriter and mixer, and a former Head of A&R. Multi-diamond producer and songwriter with two decades making records that land on radio, on charts and on dance floors.

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